G Stadel Schooner Golden Goose 1 jib or 2? Which is best?

I am now the proud owner of the Golden Goose, a 40ft G Stadel double gaff schooner.

It has 1 club jib on deck as well as a jib on the bowsprit. It also has a single large club jib option from the bowsprit. I am wondering which is the best configeration as I am having new sails made.

What are the advantages and disadvantages of 1 large club jib vs 1 smaller club jib and 1 jib on the bowsprit. I will be making these sails roller furling for ease of operation for two people. I am also wonder what, if any, difference there is in performance.

Thanks for your input. I appreciate it.

Russell Shippee

GOLDEN GOOSE
Wickford Harbor, RI

Head sails

Congratulations Russell!

Don't know if I can comment on what's "best", but I can tell you how my headsails are set up on Quintessence. I recently posted a beam picture from the start of last years GCBSR under the "schooners" pages which shows the rig better than I can describe.

Basically, jib on a roller furler at the end of the bowsprit and a staysail on a club (no roller furling) that starts about half-way back on the bowsprit and fills the fore-triangle. I like the flexibility of being able to furl the jib and keep the staysail set. Brings the sailplan closer to the center of the boat instead of moving forward as it would if it were only a single roller-furled headsail. She balances really well on just main and stay.

No idea whether the aeordynamics work out better with one of two headsails. There seems to be an extremely strong slot affect with both set, but I'm no physicist!

The main problem I have encountered with the two headsails is just seeing how the jib is set. The staysail pretty much blocks the view completely!

Paul Gray
Schooner Quintessence

Secret weapon? Ain't no secret weapon here. Move along now....

Whatever you do, don't tell them about the jackass trysail!

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Jackass Trysail indeed

Jackass my ass Greg. That would be my main topmast staysail you are referring to! Show some respect! Besides I think Al has the secret weapon category taken with his double spinnakers...

Head sails

Dogwatch

You've got a good boat that you'll enjoy. We sailed on Golden Goose at the Vineyard rendezvous with the Nova Scotia Schooner Assn. many moons ago. As to headsails, definitely go with the double head rig. The main reason is ease of shortening down. With the two sails, you can douse the jib and still carry the staysail if it starts to blow. With the single headsail rig, you lose all headsails if you need to shorten down. Also, I knew George Stadel pretty well when we had our schooner in CT and he was adamant about the double gaff, double headsail rig. Good luck with her and we hope to see you at some of the schooner events this year.

Sam Hoyt (Dogwatch)

head sails

I concur with Sam. I have a 43 Alden boat with a single headsail sail plan designed by Carl Alberg. Very convenient rig yet too much sail forward in a blow. Stick with the double headsail. Given the potenial operational snags that sometimes happen with roller furling systems, hanking on the sails is a good option and not at all inconvenient. The jib can come down in a hurry in case of a sudden turn in the weather using the down haul rigged off the end of the bow sprit (without the crew ever leaving the foredeck). Couple quick lashes and its furled down. If you hank on the jib, its also easy to replace it with a larger Yankee as another sail option.

Enjoy the boat !

Head sails

Sam and Paul are right on the money. I had a self-tending club forestaysail and flying outer jib on my old 50' Boston schooner. I kept it rigged as a staysail schooner even though it had originally (1928) had a gaff on the fore and a Marconi main. Sailed closer to the wind and was more manueverable without gaffs (my studied opinion). Since I sailed in the Delaware a great deal dodging tugs and such I needed the extra wiggle room. I crewed for Paul during the Chesapeake race this past year and he has one sweet, handy boat. The two headsail set, especially with roller reefing on the flying jib is a great combo. (P.S...there is also just something about the way it looks....)
Barnacle Bill

GOLDEN GOOSE

Russell, we'll hope to see you at the PreAGM and hear about your plans for GOLDEN GOOSE. If you're able to stay over Friday and Saturday night you will get acquainted with some very interesting people.

Related question

Which combination of head sails gives the most drive going to windward through the chop from a 15-20knot breeze? an overlapping Genoa or jib(or Yankee) and staysail?
Thanks for comments
George Wall
Colvin Gazelle
IRENA

Rule of thumb

George, that place you sail at the mouth of the Connecticut River is a bit rough for my taste. When I went by there last fall it was like a washing machine. I would think the Genoa. And don't try to point closer in degrees than your age in years.

Regards,
Al Bezanson

Rule of thumb

Al...
That explains why certain folks dont seem to make much headway.
Barnacle Bill

sailing

You know what they say: a boat that doesn't know what harbour to go, well, it won't find any good wind. It is as simple as that. Just make a list with your objectives and then go transform your boat according to your objectives.
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